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		<title>By: That Which We Call a Rose by Any Other Name Would Still be CRM @ crm intelligence &#38; strategy</title>
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		<description>[...] The term Communities as a definition of groups with similar ideas and desires, but not set strategic directions or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Esteban Kolsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esteban Kolsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 07:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, yes.  Tribes.

I was one of the original participants in the closed test for the Triibes web site that Seth set up (actually, if you look at the pictures in the inside cover of his book you shall find my mug - ugly as it is).

I participated from the tribes web site for a while, and have some good and bad things to say - of course.  I like the approach of having a leader,  it makes sense in the essence of a tribe as it does to have a leader in a tribe.  As long as you are the expert, you impart your wisdom and slowly grow your knowledge via discussions.  You continue to lead the tribe, settle disputes, etc.  You are the essence for that tribe you formed, and you become part of the tribe-people in other tribes.  In other words, you collaborate and you get the benefit of others collaborating.

That is a fine model - in the sense of today&#039;s world.  As a strategist, I am more concerned with what is to come.  I see these new generations of people, these digital natives working in a very different model.  All relationships are virtual, all knowledge is shared, all are equal - to a certain extent.  Communities come together to benefit everyone in it - and have no leader.  We all know about the same, some more and some less, but we are all there to benefit and grow the collective knowledge.  Once we are done, the community self-dissolves and the knowledge is preserved, we move to a different community for the purpose of broadening the knowledge in that community, and so forth.  I can still be a member of many communities, if i so choose, or I can be a member of a single one if that is the need I have at this time.

I see tribes as collectives in my post here.  There is specific purpose, a goal, and a leader.  The goal is to continue to grow the tribe, the empire or yesteryear.  I see communities of digital natives as doing what I described above - not joining tribes.  There is a limited time to accomplish something, so let&#039;s get to it, get it done and move on.  Their attention span is siginificantly lower than ours, and ours is lower than our parents.

No tribe can keep a digital native interested in one topic for too long, and no tribe can manage the free spirit that comes from knowing that the knowledge already exists somewhere, all you have to do is find it, use it, index it, and re-use it when needed.

I am not sure if it sounded like rambling, but I think that we are bound to see and use tribes to replace the old communes and collectives in the near term, with true virtual communities beginning to emerge within 3-4 years.  If I was still at Gartner I would even add a probability of 0.9 to that.  Since I am not, I will say it is fairly sure, I&#039;d be surprised and shocked if it were not to happen (which, incidentally is the definition of a 0.9 probability).

What do yo think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, yes.  Tribes.</p>
<p>I was one of the original participants in the closed test for the Triibes web site that Seth set up (actually, if you look at the pictures in the inside cover of his book you shall find my mug &#8211; ugly as it is).</p>
<p>I participated from the tribes web site for a while, and have some good and bad things to say &#8211; of course.  I like the approach of having a leader,  it makes sense in the essence of a tribe as it does to have a leader in a tribe.  As long as you are the expert, you impart your wisdom and slowly grow your knowledge via discussions.  You continue to lead the tribe, settle disputes, etc.  You are the essence for that tribe you formed, and you become part of the tribe-people in other tribes.  In other words, you collaborate and you get the benefit of others collaborating.</p>
<p>That is a fine model &#8211; in the sense of today&#8217;s world.  As a strategist, I am more concerned with what is to come.  I see these new generations of people, these digital natives working in a very different model.  All relationships are virtual, all knowledge is shared, all are equal &#8211; to a certain extent.  Communities come together to benefit everyone in it &#8211; and have no leader.  We all know about the same, some more and some less, but we are all there to benefit and grow the collective knowledge.  Once we are done, the community self-dissolves and the knowledge is preserved, we move to a different community for the purpose of broadening the knowledge in that community, and so forth.  I can still be a member of many communities, if i so choose, or I can be a member of a single one if that is the need I have at this time.</p>
<p>I see tribes as collectives in my post here.  There is specific purpose, a goal, and a leader.  The goal is to continue to grow the tribe, the empire or yesteryear.  I see communities of digital natives as doing what I described above &#8211; not joining tribes.  There is a limited time to accomplish something, so let&#8217;s get to it, get it done and move on.  Their attention span is siginificantly lower than ours, and ours is lower than our parents.</p>
<p>No tribe can keep a digital native interested in one topic for too long, and no tribe can manage the free spirit that comes from knowing that the knowledge already exists somewhere, all you have to do is find it, use it, index it, and re-use it when needed.</p>
<p>I am not sure if it sounded like rambling, but I think that we are bound to see and use tribes to replace the old communes and collectives in the near term, with true virtual communities beginning to emerge within 3-4 years.  If I was still at Gartner I would even add a probability of 0.9 to that.  Since I am not, I will say it is fairly sure, I&#8217;d be surprised and shocked if it were not to happen (which, incidentally is the definition of a 0.9 probability).</p>
<p>What do yo think?</p>
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		<title>By: Esteban Kolsky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Esteban Kolsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 03:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Jamie!  Appreciate you stopping by. Always good to hear from you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jamie!</p>
<p> Appreciate you stopping by. Always good to hear from you.</p>
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		<title>By: jamiefavreau</title>
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		<dc:creator>jamiefavreau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 02:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great analysis!

People need to know who they are talking to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great analysis!</p>
<p>People need to know who they are talking to.</p>
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		<title>By: Wim Rampen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wim Rampen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 22:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Esteban,

I love it when your summarize.. Makes your blog a great place for reference (too)

I hear a lot about Tribes these days.. What are your views on that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Esteban,</p>
<p>I love it when your summarize.. Makes your blog a great place for reference (too)</p>
<p>I hear a lot about Tribes these days.. What are your views on that?</p>
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